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Government Funded Healthcare and the Moral High Ground

When I go to Burger King, which I find myself doing less and less often nowadays for several reasons, there’s one expectation I have that surpasses all others: I get to have it MY way.  Ya see, I’m paying for it, and so there’s no question that if I’m paying for it, I should get whatever I want.  It’s the American way, folks.

On to healthcare, and something to consider…

If we have a public option, and I’m paying for it, it gives me a financial and moral obligation and RIGHT to protect my (the government’s) money.  Therefore, if I’m paying for YOUR healthcare, there are going to be several changes I’m going to expect you to make – because, after all, we’re going to take the moral high ground on this like we do so many other things.

Smoking? Sorry.  That costs us money.

Promiscuous Sex? Not happening.

Soda? We’ll be rationing that, thanks.

Fast Food? Also rationed, and not available during normal mealtimes.

Exercise? Yes, every day. Failure to do so will land you a fine or jail time.

Marijuana? Sorry, that’s illegal and according to the Government (the same outfit now running your healthcare), it’s bad for you.  Ditto bacon and old-school movie popcorn.  Say goodbye to all of them.  Hotdogs? Even though you may answer to a Higher Authority, since I’m now paying for your ER visits, you’ll be giving those up, too.

Now I know some of you never had one, but for me this sounds like my mom talking.  Problem is, I have a mom and I don’t need another one.  Nor do I need a nanny.  While I realize that many needy, dysfunctional people NEED this sort of supervision and oversight, the majority of us would rather not have it.

We’ve SEEN what bureaucracy does.  When was the last time you encountered the IRS and had a pleasant experience? When was the last time you actually felt fairly treated at the Department of Motor Vehicles?  For that matter, when was the last time you had to use your Driver’s License for something that actually had to do with driving a car?

Do you REALLY want to give other people, and especially the Federal Government the moral right to dictate every single aspect of your lifestyle on the premise of protecting their assets and lowering taxpayer healthcare costs?

Not only can we NOT afford the trillions of dollars this fiasco will cause us, but we seriously cannot afford this additional infringement on our basic rights and freedoms. We’re all FAR too busy forcing foreign countries to do things the American Way, and people those bullets and bombs cost serious money.

They scared you with Iraq and 9/11, and as a result of all that fearmongering we allowed the lawmakers to take many inherent rights from us via the ‘Patriot Act’ (which has NOTHING Patriotic in it, BTW).  The same suits told you the world would come to an end unless we bailed out Wall Street with trillions of dollars, and the limp-wristed, American Idol Obsessed masses allowed that to happen as well.  Now they’re trying to scare you with Healthcare.

Get rid of insurance limits and pre-existing conditions.  Nobody thinks that’s appropriate.  Eliminate idiotic lawsuits and lower malpractice insurance so that healthcare costs can be lowered for everybody.  Outside of the legal community, we’re mostly ALL on the same page with those things.

Just don’t allow Uncle Sam to control the very thing that determines your quality of life, and the way you live it.  Once that’s given over to ‘the machine’ to run, we may never get it back.

For the Legion,

  1. oleheifer
    December 8, 2009 at 8:46 pm

    THX 4 post. THXpantsloads I can’t send any of my Nice people here ’cause U used the F-word…*snort*&LMFAO.

    I get sick of folks that need hand-holding thru life 2. Because of them I get treated like * when I had 2 put in 4 food stamps 2yrs in2 waiting nearly 4yrs 4 my SocialSecurity (another nitemare smdh).

    When @IRS we had a StatisticOfIncome (SOI) unit. Wonder what kinda cruddy profiles will B created w/ health probs.

    NONE of the * proposed now & by the Clintonistas would have EVER helped me when I bought insurance & when I got hurt & didn’t have ins. Y should I have 2 pay 4 OBGYN */alcohol/drug abuse * when I’ll never use it? If I never go 2 the Dr Y can’t I get the $ back? etc.

    And 4 U sorry SOB’s who don’t understand “preventative”. That is * U can do @ the house. Y should I have 2 take off wrk, schlep, $ 2 park, $ Dr when I KNOW I just want a script 4 sulphur/anti-biotic or paregoric? U can’t even buy parepectaline now ’cause sum Yankee wino cooked it down & shot up…

    Excuse rantings of OldCrazyBroad. Was on my mind 2day.

  2. December 8, 2009 at 10:01 pm

    Wow, where to start debunking the notion that providing health care to our citizens (like every other civilized world has done for decades) won’t lead to a police state where Coke, Pepsi, McDonald’s, and Burger King are regulated out of business and Americans are jailed for sloth?

    1) Nothing like what you have described has occurred in any of the 36 countries that rank ahead of us in health care according to the World Health Organization. The French still smoke cigarettes, the Italians still fuck their mistresses, the Brits can still grab a Big Mac, even though their governments provide some measure of public health care. Hell, the French smoke more, drink more, and eat more fat-laden cheese-encrusted food than we do, and they’re still healthier and have the #1 health care in the world.

    2) Yes, we’ve seen what bureaucracy does, like Medicare, which runs health care at 3% overhead cost vs. private health care at 20% overhead. If gov’t health care is so inferior, inadequate, and repulsive, why do you accept it for our fighting men and women, our seniors, and our disabled? Why not abolish Medicare, Medicaid, VA Hospitals, and SSI?

    3) Why are you worried about a government bureaucrat but not an insurance company cubicle dweller getting between you and your doctor?

    4) Why should health care be rationed by a for-profit entity whose duty to its shareholders requires it to withhold as much health care as possible?

    5) Health care is a public need. Why do we not run our fire departments like we run health care? If you’re rich or your employer covers it, you can have fire insurance. If your home or business catches fire, they’ll come put it out. But if you’re poor, screw you, go grab a hose. That’s actually how fire departments used to run! Then we learned that fire doesn’t really discriminate; if the poor guy’s house is next to the rich guy’s business, the fire doesn’t check to see if you’re insured. It benefits the rich guy to not have the poor guy’s house burn down. Now, switch “fire” for “disease” and “fire department” for “health care”.

    6) To say we can’t afford it while pointing out bombing brown people does trigger my irony reflexes. For 1/10th the cost of all those bombs and bullets, every American would be insured.

    7) Nothing offered as a public healthcare solution mandates that private healthcare can’t exist. The notion that we’d be “giving healthcare to the machine” to run makes it sound as if doctors will be indoctrinated in federal medical schools and working at the People’s Hospital or something. You can still keep your private health insurance, there will still be private doctors and hospitals.

    8) And what is it we’d be giving up? Medical bankruptcies (an oxymoron in the rest of the civilized world)? People staying in jobs they hate because they can’t drop the healthcare? Paying twice the amount for the same coverage as everyone else in the world does?

    9) Finally, the moral high ground. Are we not a society? It’s easy to diffuse the morality when you are talking about billions of dollars and millions of people. But essentially, our disagreement comes down to this:

    You think of health care as a commodity, I think of it as a community. The very reason why healthcare costs are so high is because we treat it as a commodity. It’s supply and rigidly inflexible demand; if I’m having a heart attack, you can charge me anything. It’s not like I can comparison shop for heart specialists while I’m going into cardiac arrest.

    Changing a few insurance rules here and there doesn’t get at the root of the problem: the insurance companies themselves, companies whose sole profit motive is to NOT provide health care coverage. And malpractice claims are a red herring in this debate; they don’t even contribute one half of one percent to the costs of health care in America (but the notion of “idiotic lawsuits” and some hate-the-lawyers talk is always good for riling up the rubes and distracting from the real issues.)

    Healthcare costs can only come down when it is a public service, not a private commodity. People with health care coverage will visit doctors and catch conditions before they become extreme to the point of visiting the emergency room which is what really drives up our costs.

    See, the problem with treating health care as a commodity is that people who can’t afford it cost you money and endanger your health. Poor folks don’t do us the favor of just slinking off to die when they’re sick. They don’t take sick days because they can’t afford to, risking the health of all of rich dude’s employees. They let germs and viruses stay in their bodies longer because they put off that expensive emergency room visit as long as possible, letting those germs and viruses multiply and grow stronger. When they do finally go to the ER, they can’t pay, so the hospital jacks up the price of all the things that you end up paying for. They don’t take all of their antibiotics or use half-doses, because they can’t afford the refill, allowing the germs and viruses to mutate into stronger antibiotic-resistant strains.

    Stop spreading the scaremongering that paints a public health care system as an evil government machine intent on destroying your freedom to eat cheeseburgers and sit on the couch. When the VA starts inspecting veterans’ pantries for Cheetos and Medicare starts fining senior citizens for not exercising, then you’ll have something on which to base these irrational government-and-lawyer-hating arguments.

    P.S. I’m with you on the Wall Street heist and the unPATRIOTic ACT, and even a little on the American Idol, minus the anti-gay slur.

    • The NSR Legion
      December 8, 2009 at 11:48 pm

      Things like the Wall Street bailout and the Patriot Act teach us serious lessons: despite the best face and intentions that ANY administration puts forth on something big, it ends up biting us in the ass in the long run.

      My slur was decidedly NOT anti-gay. Limp-wristed refers to anyone without the backbone to stand up and follow through on matters of importance. A tendency to be complacent and timid, if you like. I know a lot of bull dykes that are decidedly NOT limp-wristed, and before you try and past that description on a gay male, keep in mind they’re still MALE. One is likely to get an ass-kicking for such things.

      Unless you’ve missed the news recently, we’re already in much more of a Police State than we’ve had in decades. Reference the Patriot Act and the two insane ‘wars’ where we’re off compounding the problem instead of solving it.

      These HUGE infringements on us started off small – because selling bullshit like that is a politician’s art.

      Smoking’s bad for you, but there’s still enough political muscle to keep it from becoming illegal. So, what’s the next best thing? Barry O adds $1 a pack tax before he’d had a chance to unpack his BVD’s. Does that prevent anyone from smoking? No. Does it excessively burden those who do? Yes indeed. True to form, it all started out small, with simple comments like ‘can you blow that smoke the other way?’, and instead of taking a baseball bat to people, smokers complied. Then they were given their own section in many public areas. Then they were pushed outside…and in many places you can’t even smoke THERE anymore.

      Smoking’s bad for you. No argument there. It MAY even be bad for those around it. Not my point. My point is that if it’s something that’s gotten the soft sell initially, and gotten completely overblown by taxation and regulation to the point where most smokers are made to feel like criminals.

      That’s just one small example of Government run amok. Apply it to Healthcare since we’ve no positive reason to expect anything different from the criminals in DC, and it’s not at all a stretch to expect that we’ll have the same Motor Vehicle Administration type hassles just to get a boil lanced 10 years hence.

      1.) You can’t hold the French to anyone as an example of much. I’ve got a WW2 French rifle for sale if you’re interested…never fired, and only dropped once. The fact is that we’re NOT France. Our system of government, our historical values and sentiments are not the same. What may work for the French, who’ve consistently struck me as reasonable people, may not work in the current environment of the US, where greed rules and more is…well…more.

      Our society and citizenry is a very unique blend unlike any in the world. Provide something free, or damn near it, to Americans and the whole concept is shot to hell. Did we not learn anything from the Oprah/KFC fiasco?!?

      2.) I’ve personally seen assloads of incompetence in government-run healthcare facilities. Adding Tricare to the Military to manage some of that burden, while dropping some costs, broke the promise made to our vets long ago: fight for us and we’ll take care of you, for life. The fact is we don’t do a good job of making good on that promise in these government programs. Just ask the guys living in moldy rooms at Walter Reed, or the people who’ve developed staph infections while sitting in the ER waiting room at Malcom Grow (Andrews AFB). They’re dirty, inefficient and disgusting facilities. It’s no coincidence that MANY of our Military and VA hospitals hold the same standards as those of your local Health Department. Go eat a sandwich off the floor at one of THOSE and tell me how well ‘the system’ runs Healthcare.

      3.) Sure, there are horror stories about people allowing others get between them and their doctor when it comes to healthcare. You’ve got to be your own advocate there. When I take a complaint to H&R Block, I get attention and, more often than not satisfaction. The IRS, not so much, because, well, they’re the IRS. We’re going to allow the same mentality to govern immediate life-and-death decisions for us? I say it’s bad enough they’re entrusted with the long-term ones.

      4.) I think a better question is why should our government be allowed to take over an industry just because they make a few bucks and because some very visible failures have occurred? Where exactly does our Constitution allow such things? Did I miss an amendment somewhere, or do we just disregard that document nowadays? People get sick from eating bad spinach by the score, but we’re not taking over the produce industry, because there’s little opportunity to exercise power and control over anybody by being in charge of salad.

      5.) Clean water is a public need, too, but if you don’t pay for your water bill, guess what? You get mighty thirsty…although nobody I know anymore actually CONSUMES water from the tap. That’s being run well, too. I have Fire Insurance, although I could choose to assume that risk and not have it. I can also lawfully refuse the assistance of the local FD if I chose to do so. Again, my risk.

      6.) If I’m overdrawn at the bank, I don’t go write checks. They put PEOPLE in jail for that shit. (and, ironically, spend 100’s times the amount of the check in doing so) Spending money you don’t have is just bugshit crazy, yet we’re doing it over and over and over again. Problem is we’ve LONG ago spent all OUR money. Now we’re collectively spending our GRANDCHILDREN’s money, and completely ruining America’s position in the world in the process. Frankly, if we weren’t so arrogant, so interventionist, so insistent that everyone do things the way WE do
      them, we wouldn’t have many of the problems we have with foreign nations.

      7.) Doctors are already indoctrinated (!) in the Federal way of doing things. There’s an entire cottage industry dedicated to explaining to physicians how to do THEIR job in order to get maximum return out of Medicare and Medicaid. There’s no wonder there’s an audible sigh when a patient using either plan walks into an office.

      8.) We’d be giving up diversified control of an entire industry, and placing it into the hands of our elected officials, the taskmasters to the bureaucrats. The attitude and quality of care would tie straight back to whoever’s sitting in the Oval Office at the moment, and that’s fundamentally wrong.

      9.) Healthcare is indeed a commodity. Just like a car or a bank account, and despite the fact that we’ve taken over a lot of THOSE as well, not everybody gets to have one. Some people walk miles to work in the rain every day, while some smoke stogies in their Escalade riding solo to work listening to Chopin. I’m not about to pick the Chopin fan’s pocket so that Mr. Soggy and Tired can have an easier life, sorry. When I was Mr. Soggy and Tired, I made changes of my own choosing to ensure I would no longer be that man. I see no reason why others cannot do the same.

      I have car insurance, but if I choose to no longer drive my car, I can opt out of it. In either case, I don’t expect The Gecko to chip in for my oil changes and new tires. I see some similarities there.

      Costs can come down when we become a less litigious society. It’s not about the actual lawsuits or awards, it’s the FEAR of them that keep malpractice insurance costs high, which get passed right along to everyone else. Sadly, in our culture that’s a cost of doing business, just as is the n’er-do-well who doesn’t pay for his ER visit. If you visit the ER and are uninsured, you either pay the bill or you don’t. They sue, they win. You received services and you should pay for them, no different than if you’d gone to get your hair cut.

      I’m all for giving folks sick days when they’re sick, but the fact of the matter is our culture abuses those things. People call in sick (hungover, tired, lazy, New Moon premier, etc) when they’re not, and abuses like that have lead to a culture where people are hesitant to call in sick when they’re genuinely ill. Changing THAT does not require a government-run healthcare system.

      Not seeking healthcare when you’re sick because you can’t afford it, or self-medicating is a matter of education. Having Uncle Sam take over the industry isn’t going to change that or even improve it. My guess is that it will make going to the doctor the same kind of dreaded experience most people have going to the Post Office or the DMV.

      If you think the military doesn’t enforce standards to lower healthcare costs, you’re not paying attention. Fat soldiers are few and far between. Smoking on Military bases is verboten in most cases.

      10.) Here’s one you might find strikes home for you – I know it does for me. Can you imagine, in any form whatsoever, that if the United States Federal Government takes a bigger role in Healthcare for millions of its citizens, they’ll legalize medical marijuana? We’ve come SO far in gaining the popular vote on this single issue – a vote to allow Washington and its minions further control in this industry is, in my mind, a firm blow to that issue. For me, it’s important. There’s not a medication in the world, and I’ve tried most, which brings my blood
      pressure down and keeps my slipped disc from keeping me in bed like a bowl of green.

      The public option, at least according to breaking news on the AP, seems dead anyway…but discourse is good for the soul, don’t you think? http://is.gd/5guV2

      All the things I mentioned aren’t exactly Nostradamus predictions, Russ – they’re based on how our government has historically handled things they’ve become over-involved in. It’s not irrational – it’s rather a simple ‘you KNOW how this is going to go’ type look at them.

      When given an inch, these folks take MILES.


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